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  Dress for Memorial

  by goofy in

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  ok, advice please.

  i just bought a red layered dress.

  i don't know how to explain it completely, but it is a red chiffon and a copy of a very famous german styler.

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  johnny cip

  wear the dress; and bring a big BIB. so you don't spill any wine or cracker crumbs on it . when all the wt-ites scream if you follow the words of jesus and eat the body and blood of christ. john
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  An Essay I'm Writing To My Family

  by ColdRedRain in

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  i'm working on this essay for my family (at least the ones that are open minded enough.

  ) to show them why it makes no sense for me to be a witless.. god has chosen a group of men that included the right hand man of a famed apocalyptic cult leader that said jesus would return in 1845, a famed swindler, a man that had a mistress, a man that based some of his dates for biblical prophecies on the great pyramid, a contemporary object not specifically mentioned in the bible, then denying he ever did that, a man who unethically took over a corporation and am alcoholic who told people to break prohibition laws in his religious journal, all to play roles his new church?

  what would you think if god chose these guys just for auxiliary roles in his church?

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  rain; your letter is fine it lays the ground work of what's wrong with the wt .. thier lying ways, a rotton tree cannot bare good fruit . that says a lot and the jw's love that verse. now your jw's friends will hate it. you have the right idea. add to that. was these false prophecies proper food at the proper time? and were they worship acceptable to god? hold to this line of reasoning and you cannot be out talked . just keep repeating it over and over . they either will see the light ,or walk away in time.....good for you freedom in christ ....
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  We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

  by betweenworlds in

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  i read this quote at tom's site (thanks tom!

  ) and then looked it up for myself on the wt cd.

  this is truly disturbing and shows their true mindset....this is from the nov. !5th 1952 question from readers.

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  what seems to be forgotten here is that if the stoning law was in effect today . the wt and thier leaders would have been stoned to death 130 years ago. i say have the judging right in front of the the brooklyn surpreme court house. then sell the stones 3 for a dollar. see how the gb likes the feeling. john
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  Our Whole Family Left the Watchtower

  by Tower Man in

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  i have 2 new audios on my site that you can listen to.

  one is from the mullins family who all left the borg together.

  the daughter shares a nailbiting testimony of how her jw husband cheated on her, abused her and then abused her daughter and threatened to kill them.

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  tower man i love your audio page and mac gragers audio's . btw that is better news than the raise i got at work today. keep up the good work....... john
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  Ezekiels 390 and 40 "Days of error"

  by refiners fire in

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  brothers (and sisters)

  now, as you know, i have been doing some independent study into the book of ezekiel for some weeks now and, to be truthful, ive developed a couple of problems.

  perhaps someone could clear these things up for me.

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  rifiners ; that is a shock, first he agrees that the 1919 stuff is bull so that would also make the 1914 stuff bull and whagt they preach today as bull on top of bull with a cherry on top. that they go door to door don't mean a thing, if they are preaching a different gospel than the nt. they keep saying the org. you don't need dictates of men to bring you to jesus. and what about all the wt teachings that have sent jw's to 1000's of years in prison (not accepting civil serv, instead of military) they changed that in 1996 . if you want god , jesus is clear he is the way truth and the light you can come to the father no other way. how about the ten commamdments . thou shall not use the name of the lord in vain . every time they say the wt is the truth ,gods sprit directed org. the fds the mouth piece of jesus today etc . thou shall not have another god's before me. but you have to be a jw and believe everything they say as the word of god. and thou shall not lie. the wt lies every week when they print that what they were teaching 20-4- 50-80-100-120 years ago was bible truth. that's why i mentioned when i studied years ago . the feeling was that everything they ever printed was all fact and true and from god and it is the same way today at the hall.once you got your study to agree that they are lying. that should have told him that the wt can't be trusted and will print any thing to suck ppl in.and how many jw's died or got very sick from wt quack medicine cures, flip flops on vaccines, transplants, and blood . etc. i could go on butr you know. if he comes back i would go into more false prophecies and how the wt today call this worship acceptable to god... it sounds like you got him right were you want him. from this point on he will have to lie to protect his god. it's a shame but i think you are making progress. good work happy hunting ...john
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  Ezekiels 390 and 40 "Days of error"

  by refiners fire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  brothers (and sisters)

  now, as you know, i have been doing some independent study into the book of ezekiel for some weeks now and, to be truthful, ive developed a couple of problems.

  perhaps someone could clear these things up for me.

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  rerfiners ; you know what kills me is that when i was a kid and went to book studies. they would sit there and glorify theses books and all the junk in them as from jehovah him self. jump up and down that every word is the incontavertable facts. today when i question the same jw's 30 years later they don't want to here what was in these books and i allways go for 1914 and 1919. if you hit your study this week with what you are readying him for , his brain might melt down right in your living room. then you will have to call the hasmat team in for the toxic clean up. after i bust the jw's with some of this drivil i tell them that the only prophecies that the wt forfulled in the bible was that of a false prophet... keep the entertainment coming, you are not planting seeds you are planting enough wheat to feed a hungry nation of 6 million starving believers....john
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  Should the 'other sheep' partake? An 'alien resident' parallel

  by artful in

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  answer: christ's body.

  answer: christ's blood.

  answer: the new covenant.

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  thank you artful; i filed this thread and will try to print it. i have been having a field day with the body and blood with jw's the last few weeks. spring weather is good.!!! i set up a dozen jw's a few days ago in a park named , get this . mount eden park 173 street bx n.y.c . well we talked and i got them to say they follow only the bible and all of it. then i got them to read jn chap 6 40-70 well the shit started flying when i asked if they were going to follow jesus' word to eat the body and blood . all of a sudden they don;t follow the bible!!!! they said i was argueing, i said how is that, i'm quoting the words of jesus. it is you who are arguing that jesus is lying from the bible. well it didn't take them long to follow jn 6; 66 and walk away. as i told them they would when they heard the inspired words of jesus... i worked hard on a 20 something sister as why she was not having a job etc. that was my day and i will add your verses to my work this week . for the extra seeds . thank you ....john
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  Major WTS Prophecy goes down to defeat !!!

  by Amazing in

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  many here may recall that the watchtower society has published much material on the prophetic role of the united nations ... specifically, the united nations is the scarlet colored wild beast, the "image" of the worldly 7 headed wild political beast ... it would be given life by the two-horned dual world power of britain and america, the "lamb-like beast spoken of in revelation ... this "image" beast would be given power to rule one prophetic hour over the nations as they subordinate their national sovereignty to it ... and so on ...

  then ... after the creation of the united nations in 1945 in san francisco the wts interpreted revelation regarding the demise of the old league of nations to apply to a statement in revelation that this "image" beast would be revived in the form of the united nations ... seemingly, the wts was on to something ... and for the next 45 years (until about 1990) the watchtower published anything and everything they could to make their interpretation stick with respect to how deep in the time of the end they believed we were living in ... then, about 1990, the watchtower society joined the un as a member ngo ... a significant departure from their previous stand on political neutrality ... and ... hatred of satan's old system of things ... certainly, since we are nearly 90 years into the last days of this wicked system we would expect the un to be in control or at least taking the lead ...

  so, now ... where do we stand as of march 19th, 2003?

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  hurt ; you don't mind if i test some of the spritual food served up from jehovah's mouth peice on earth today . let's start with years. the beginning of the time of the end 1776 1780 1798 1799 1914 etc. the heavens and stars falling in 1831, the ten virgins 1844. something about 1865. jesus is to return in 1872 73 73 75 76 78 1914 1915 etc. how do these ashes taste. the great time of trouble will be in 1870's 1905-07 1910-12 etc you pick one out of a hat. the rapture will be in 1874 1878.1881 1914 1915, 1921 1932 etc. love that food from jehovah's table? the world will end in 1878 ,1881, 1914 1915 1918, 1920, 1925 , 1936 , 1941, 1951, 1954 1975, 1986, 1989, by 1995 2000, maybe 2005-15 etc. still hungary. we have more delicious food from brooklyn. let's talk about the generation well first it was 1844 +30 years to 1874 yum yum . then it was from 1878 to 1918 yum yum then to 1920 yum yum please jehovah sent me more of this food from the angels. ok 1918+7 =1925 umm umm good . . rutherford was more sure that abraham was to return in 1925 , than noah was about the flood .oct 15 1917 4-1-23 wt. please fds this food is soooo goood. can i have another serving.. jesus will use the radio to talk to everyone. abraham will fly on a plane to spots if trouble . the steam locomotive is forfullment of the book of JOB. THE PYRAMID GROWS but 57 inches between 1874 and 1914 that's jehovah's stone witness that all the prophecies of the bible can be found in if you know how to measure it. wt thy kingdom come s in s vol.3 etc. can i meet the baker if this feast. i want to give him a big hug and invite to cater my next party.! 1918 + 14 =1931-2 1914+37=1951 1914+40=1954 generation food but the recipe keeps changing. i guess jesus did n't know what he was talking about? and how did jehovah feed the fds 1975 and the 6000 years. did not russell try that one in 1872 73 and 1875 . so what happened the wt told me in 1969 i would never finish school. the world would be over before then.. 35 years later my kids will finish school in a few years. boy you can always trust that spritual food from jehovah's spokesman to all man kind? MR. /MISS HURT i could go on for days with ROTTEN SPRITUAL FOOD from your CHRIST THE WTS. but i hate typing. so when you read a new wt mag that glorifies old wt teachings from the early days ask yourself. was what the wt taught then and preached world wide as bible TRUTH. worship acceptable to the god of the bible... if you do your homework you will never again hand someone a wt mag and tell then that the the wt is the truth..... john
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  Some observations on Ezekiel 1 and 2

  by refiners fire in

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  the bible book of ezekiel has been dealt with at length, on a number of occasions, by the organization.

  the books the finished mystery (1917).

  and the nations shall know that i am jehovah (1971) spring to mind.

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  refinders; i don't think any jw can last 5 minutes with you.. it all boils down to 1919.. i've been doing much the same but with only 10% of what you been posting. now you need to put what you know to use, if you have not already have!!!!!!!! if and when you drop the bomb, i would invite the c.o. or elders to back this shit up.. with your study in ears shot. funny that you are conducting these studies. condemn then with their own word. i love the way , i know you catch them in one lie after another ...i had fun with the 4-1 03 wt today were they are calling the divine plan of the ages and the harp of god some kind of bible truth ...but you know they said they all read them , and how beautiful they are ..... i will say no more .......john
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  When People Ask Questions About Jehovah's Witnesses, I Tell Them The Truth

  by minimus in

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  for a while now, when someone asks me why jw's don't celebrate birthdays, i tell them the unadulterated truth.

  i say that in the bible, 2 pagans celebrated their birthdays and 2 people got killed, and that's why we don't celebrate birthdays.then if someone asks about why we can celebrate anniverseries, i tell them that nobody got killed for celebrating one, so it's up to our conscience.

  if someone asks if we take blood transfusions, i say no, but, we will take (and i name the different components) other portions of the blood.

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  minimus; thanx for the christian responce.. i learned a little more about you from this thread. i can say that you are doing the right thing. help who you can in your way. we all are different. you have inlightned me on your stance now. be well .....john